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	<title>Comments on: Dan Lyons takes off the mask and throws down the gauntlet with Apple</title>
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	<description>Editor and technology critic in the midst of founding a new content startup.</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; give us this day our daily kool-aid i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-112357</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; give us this day our daily kool-aid i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read Jim Goldman&#8217;s whole piece, it beautifully shows how Lyons&#8217; journalism vis a vis Apple is just horrid. Still bitter about giving up FSJ too early, I &#8217;spose. Ryan Block also agrees that although he believes that Jobs is the cunning monolopist that Lyons has ... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read Jim Goldman&#8217;s whole piece, it beautifully shows how Lyons&#8217; journalism vis a vis Apple is just horrid. Still bitter about giving up FSJ too early, I &#8217;spose. Ryan Block also agrees that although he believes that Jobs is the cunning monolopist that Lyons has &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tin Tin</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111925</link>
		<dc:creator>Tin Tin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Martin.  Actually, in common usage, either 'racking my brain' (usually taken to mean torturing oneself to figure something out) or 'wracking my brain' (taken to mean destroying one's memory to find a lost tidbit; wracking being synonymous with wrecking) are acceptable.  Wrecking is right out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Martin.  Actually, in common usage, either &#8216;racking my brain&#8217; (usually taken to mean torturing oneself to figure something out) or &#8216;wracking my brain&#8217; (taken to mean destroying one&#8217;s memory to find a lost tidbit; wracking being synonymous with wrecking) are acceptable.  Wrecking is right out.</p>
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		<title>By: MoBurkhardt</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111921</link>
		<dc:creator>MoBurkhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice piece, maybe a little short but I really enjoyed reading it 
(esp. "a drive-by foot-shooting of dubious arguments and logic." :D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice piece, maybe a little short but I really enjoyed reading it<br />
(esp. &#8220;a drive-by foot-shooting of dubious arguments and logic.&#8221; :D)</p>
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		<title>By: Podesta</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111919</link>
		<dc:creator>Podesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A just filed lawsuit cannot be a "class action."  Before a suit becomes one, the  plaintiffs' must establish that a class (meaning hundreds or thousands of persons affected) exists.  Next, a judge must agree that such a class exists and that all would benefit from having their complaints tried together.  At that point he will or will not certify the lawsuit as a class action.

A recent example of a failure to gain class action status against Apple was the complaint filed by two photographers over the jargon 'millions of colors' regarding Apple monitors and screens.  They said the term of art was misleading.   However, their lawyers were unable to scare up many, if any, other consumers who believed they had suffered economic damage as a result of 'millions of colors' being a term of art.  The lawsuit did not become a class action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A just filed lawsuit cannot be a &#8220;class action.&#8221;  Before a suit becomes one, the  plaintiffs&#8217; must establish that a class (meaning hundreds or thousands of persons affected) exists.  Next, a judge must agree that such a class exists and that all would benefit from having their complaints tried together.  At that point he will or will not certify the lawsuit as a class action.</p>
<p>A recent example of a failure to gain class action status against Apple was the complaint filed by two photographers over the jargon &#8216;millions of colors&#8217; regarding Apple monitors and screens.  They said the term of art was misleading.   However, their lawyers were unable to scare up many, if any, other consumers who believed they had suffered economic damage as a result of &#8216;millions of colors&#8217; being a term of art.  The lawsuit did not become a class action.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iPhone 3G has been criticized for dropping 3% of calls, but that is actually much less than the average, which is closer to 10%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iPhone 3G has been criticized for dropping 3% of calls, but that is actually much less than the average, which is closer to 10%.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111909</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Unfortunately for Apple (and the woman who stands to lose a lot of money on lawyers’ fees)..."

Class actions are almost always financed by lawyers, who actually shop for plaintiffs by advertising for them. The woman probably has nothing to lose (and little to gain, compared to the attorneys).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately for Apple (and the woman who stands to lose a lot of money on lawyers’ fees)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Class actions are almost always financed by lawyers, who actually shop for plaintiffs by advertising for them. The woman probably has nothing to lose (and little to gain, compared to the attorneys).</p>
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		<title>By: macsimcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>macsimcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the woman isn't likely to lose any money on attorneys fees, because those attorneys usually take such class-actions on contingency. At the end, when Apple ponies up a $100M pool of money for coupons, the attorneys will ask for 25% of that in legal fees. That's why class actions are so lucrative for attorneys.

Second, there's nothing illegal or wrong about being a monopolist. Every company wants a monopoly, that's the goal: acquire more and larger shares of your market. Illegal use of monopoly power is where you get into trouble, a la Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the woman isn&#8217;t likely to lose any money on attorneys fees, because those attorneys usually take such class-actions on contingency. At the end, when Apple ponies up a $100M pool of money for coupons, the attorneys will ask for 25% of that in legal fees. That&#8217;s why class actions are so lucrative for attorneys.</p>
<p>Second, there&#8217;s nothing illegal or wrong about being a monopolist. Every company wants a monopoly, that&#8217;s the goal: acquire more and larger shares of your market. Illegal use of monopoly power is where you get into trouble, a la Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: David K.</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111889</link>
		<dc:creator>David K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus add to that his attempt to be-little his detractors by calling them kool-aid drinking cultists (a metaphor that really REALLY shouldn't be used considering the seriousness of its origins, i wish the tech world would drop it).  Maybe, gasp, maybe he is WRONG (i think he is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus add to that his attempt to be-little his detractors by calling them kool-aid drinking cultists (a metaphor that really REALLY shouldn&#8217;t be used considering the seriousness of its origins, i wish the tech world would drop it).  Maybe, gasp, maybe he is WRONG (i think he is).</p>
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		<title>By: bkharmony</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111887</link>
		<dc:creator>bkharmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was awfully disappointed in this piece. I wonder if it doesn't have some heavy Editor's hands on it. It really boils down to the usual (mostly fictitious) gripes about Apple with a few shaky cases thrown together in an attempt  to build a "narrative." 

It's the same stuff they do in political journalism - always trying to connect things to make other things. But sometimes those things just don't exist, and you can do a lot of harm doing what amounts to lying, or falsifying at best.

Dan, you're better than that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was awfully disappointed in this piece. I wonder if it doesn&#8217;t have some heavy Editor&#8217;s hands on it. It really boils down to the usual (mostly fictitious) gripes about Apple with a few shaky cases thrown together in an attempt  to build a &#8220;narrative.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same stuff they do in political journalism - always trying to connect things to make other things. But sometimes those things just don&#8217;t exist, and you can do a lot of harm doing what amounts to lying, or falsifying at best.</p>
<p>Dan, you&#8217;re better than that!</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"“Apple sets prices and takes 30 percent of the money.”
On applications. If they’re not distributed for free (which Apple does for no cost). "

Developers set the price of their applications on the App Store. Apple just take 30% of whatever they set, as far as I understand it.

Apple keeping the prices low for the iTunes Store also means they take less margin from each sale. And, seriously, do you think the music companies would have done a better job than Apple with the iTunes Store? The answer is clearly no, they wouldn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Apple sets prices and takes 30 percent of the money.”<br />
On applications. If they’re not distributed for free (which Apple does for no cost). &#8221;</p>
<p>Developers set the price of their applications on the App Store. Apple just take 30% of whatever they set, as far as I understand it.</p>
<p>Apple keeping the prices low for the iTunes Store also means they take less margin from each sale. And, seriously, do you think the music companies would have done a better job than Apple with the iTunes Store? The answer is clearly no, they wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: David Waite</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111883</link>
		<dc:creator>David Waite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other music stores undercut Apple on price sometimes based on big labels wanting to keep an ecosystem, and offering those stores a better deal.

They were so scared of big bad unauthorized copying that they gave Apple the keys to the kingdom, without even knowing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other music stores undercut Apple on price sometimes based on big labels wanting to keep an ecosystem, and offering those stores a better deal.</p>
<p>They were so scared of big bad unauthorized copying that they gave Apple the keys to the kingdom, without even knowing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111881</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't worry about it Ryan, FSJ just wants to fark your girlfriend. Really, really bad.</description>
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		<title>By: lookmark</title>
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		<dc:creator>lookmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just you.

Good dissection, Ryan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just you.</p>
<p>Good dissection, Ryan.</p>
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		<title>By: nak</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/09/dan-lyons-tries-taking-on-apple-from-a-different-angle/comment-page-1/#comment-111877</link>
		<dc:creator>nak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a major speaker manufacture and I can tell you that the mark-ups are insane. My employee discount was that I would get their speakers for 100% above landed cost. I purchased some speakers — that retailed for $99 — for just $26. That makes the landed cost $13 – a markup of over 750%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a major speaker manufacture and I can tell you that the mark-ups are insane. My employee discount was that I would get their speakers for 100% above landed cost. I purchased some speakers — that retailed for $99 — for just $26. That makes the landed cost $13 – a markup of over 750%!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Baxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was rather disappointed with Lyons' article. After the excellent satire and, sometimes, insight he provided with FSJ, I hoped he would provide similarly well thought-out and unique analysis, but instead he wrote something that doesn't seem any different than the stock nebulous "analysis" pieces Newsweek, Businessweek et al. push out on Apple. 

 His use of Vudu as an example of the darkside of Apple's rise puzzles me. If Vudu is a failing business because of AppleTV + iTunes, than I ask -- so what? 

 The AppleTV is a fundamentally better product. It has an incredible media library to select from: iTunes music, movies, TV shows, and podcasts; Flickr for photos; YouTube for video; and your own personal music, video and photo libraries, and it makes it really simple to set up and use. 

 AppleTV is powerful because it is an all-encompassing solution. You can listen to your music library, watch your video library, see your photos, buy from an incredible selection of music and select from a quite good selection of TV shows and movies, all on your home theatre system. It makes your computer and home theatre play together almost seamlessly, and that's powerful. 

 Vudu lost because it cannot provide an equally valuable product. It cannot give consumers the same incredible choice of music, video and podcasts that Apple can. The "trade-off" is you must work within Apple's ecosystem, which is what Lyons is really afraid of. But like anything, when you decide to use iTunes and buy an iPod, iPhone, or AppleTV, you are deciding that the incredible value Apple's ecosystem provides is worth giving up some mobility. If consumers decide the tradeoff is no longer worth it, Apple will not do as well as it has, and other media "stores" will take their place. 

 Lyons is concerned that Apple, given this power, will use it to abuse other companies or their customers. With the iTunes Store, however, Apple has been fundamentally fair, both to media owners and consumers. Apple takes a relatively small cut of media sales, and has fought to keep music and video prices simple (but has had to relent on movie prices with newer releases costing more than older titles). 

 There are concerns with the new App Store, as many developers have explained, but these concerns seem more to be growing pains of a new model than a sinister plan for domination cooked up in Jobs's office. Perhaps because Apple is concerned more with hardware sales than media sales in the iTunes Store, but Apple has acted to help the consumer rather than harm. 

 So, I hope Lyons does bring back FSJ, because he does a much better job with satire than standard analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was rather disappointed with Lyons&#8217; article. After the excellent satire and, sometimes, insight he provided with FSJ, I hoped he would provide similarly well thought-out and unique analysis, but instead he wrote something that doesn&#8217;t seem any different than the stock nebulous &#8220;analysis&#8221; pieces Newsweek, Businessweek et al. push out on Apple. </p>
<p> His use of Vudu as an example of the darkside of Apple&#8217;s rise puzzles me. If Vudu is a failing business because of AppleTV + iTunes, than I ask &#8212; so what? </p>
<p> The AppleTV is a fundamentally better product. It has an incredible media library to select from: iTunes music, movies, TV shows, and podcasts; Flickr for photos; YouTube for video; and your own personal music, video and photo libraries, and it makes it really simple to set up and use. </p>
<p> AppleTV is powerful because it is an all-encompassing solution. You can listen to your music library, watch your video library, see your photos, buy from an incredible selection of music and select from a quite good selection of TV shows and movies, all on your home theatre system. It makes your computer and home theatre play together almost seamlessly, and that&#8217;s powerful. </p>
<p> Vudu lost because it cannot provide an equally valuable product. It cannot give consumers the same incredible choice of music, video and podcasts that Apple can. The &#8220;trade-off&#8221; is you must work within Apple&#8217;s ecosystem, which is what Lyons is really afraid of. But like anything, when you decide to use iTunes and buy an iPod, iPhone, or AppleTV, you are deciding that the incredible value Apple&#8217;s ecosystem provides is worth giving up some mobility. If consumers decide the tradeoff is no longer worth it, Apple will not do as well as it has, and other media &#8220;stores&#8221; will take their place. </p>
<p> Lyons is concerned that Apple, given this power, will use it to abuse other companies or their customers. With the iTunes Store, however, Apple has been fundamentally fair, both to media owners and consumers. Apple takes a relatively small cut of media sales, and has fought to keep music and video prices simple (but has had to relent on movie prices with newer releases costing more than older titles). </p>
<p> There are concerns with the new App Store, as many developers have explained, but these concerns seem more to be growing pains of a new model than a sinister plan for domination cooked up in Jobs&#8217;s office. Perhaps because Apple is concerned more with hardware sales than media sales in the iTunes Store, but Apple has acted to help the consumer rather than harm. </p>
<p> So, I hope Lyons does bring back FSJ, because he does a much better job with satire than standard analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: vas</title>
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		<dc:creator>vas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30% AppStore cut is cheap if you look at what you're getting: access to a captive audience channel, and they take care of all the complexities of billing, international sales, returns, pushing software updates, etc. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't tried marketing and distributing software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30% AppStore cut is cheap if you look at what you&#8217;re getting: access to a captive audience channel, and they take care of all the complexities of billing, international sales, returns, pushing software updates, etc. Anyone who says otherwise hasn&#8217;t tried marketing and distributing software.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, apart from "racking my brain" instead of "wrecking my brain" :)</description>
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		<title>By: Mister Snitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister Snitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.</description>
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		<title>By: Charles K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"[Apple] operates the only store that can sell music, movies and software programs for [the iPod and iPhone]."

Further untrue, of course, if you account for plenty of old geezers like me who have filled their iPods with stuff from their massive, massive CD collections. Apple didn't sell me any CDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Apple] operates the only store that can sell music, movies and software programs for [the iPod and iPhone].&#8221;</p>
<p>Further untrue, of course, if you account for plenty of old geezers like me who have filled their iPods with stuff from their massive, massive CD collections. Apple didn&#8217;t sell me any CDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Block</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He did? I don't remember John having much cogent to say, he just tried to grouch me into submission (which I don't think he did!).</description>
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