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	<title>Comments on: Vimeo pulls Engadget video with no notification</title>
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	<description>Editor and technology critic in the midst of founding a new content startup.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gez</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-111237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vimeo also removed the channel "Redes" that is a non-profit scientific divulgation TV program.
Redes is a TV show that airs too late at night and the producers of the program wanted to share the contents on-line with their viewers so they can watch it anytime.
The online version of the program had no ads or commercials, but anyway vimeo taken down the channel and when the producers of Redes asked why they only received a harsh reply ending with "please don't contact us again".
It's a shame. Vimeo has excellent quality and a very nice interface, but these kind of things make me want to use another service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vimeo also removed the channel &#8220;Redes&#8221; that is a non-profit scientific divulgation TV program.<br />
Redes is a TV show that airs too late at night and the producers of the program wanted to share the contents on-line with their viewers so they can watch it anytime.<br />
The online version of the program had no ads or commercials, but anyway vimeo taken down the channel and when the producers of Redes asked why they only received a harsh reply ending with &#8220;please don&#8217;t contact us again&#8221;.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame. Vimeo has excellent quality and a very nice interface, but these kind of things make me want to use another service.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schleifstein</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-71013</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schleifstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>given Randall's sarcasm, I don't see why you guys can't use AOL uncut for hosting... of course you could get the site devs to give you a hosted uploader for the site itself (i think blogsmith could handle it)... it shouldn't be to hard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>given Randall&#8217;s sarcasm, I don&#8217;t see why you guys can&#8217;t use AOL uncut for hosting&#8230; of course you could get the site devs to give you a hosted uploader for the site itself (i think blogsmith could handle it)&#8230; it shouldn&#8217;t be to hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nuclear Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70971</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuclear Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs a charm-school retraining session before being allowed to talk to customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs a charm-school retraining session before being allowed to talk to customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Vimeo pulls Engadget video &#124; Grant Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70961</link>
		<dc:creator>Vimeo pulls Engadget video &#124; Grant Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heard yesterday that Vimeo pulled an Engadget video with little or no notice &#8211;depending on who you believe, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] heard yesterday that Vimeo pulled an Engadget video with little or no notice &#8211;depending on who you believe, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70947</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it really matters, but I feel like the comment thread is more damning than the actual offense. Instead of being defensive, how bout replying to Ryan's concern with some genuine sympathy rather than putting on the defense. "This is frustrating for everyone involved, I’m sure. It does not reflect the usual Vimeo experience." Really? How 'bout, "Lets talk on the phone and try to fix this issue, instead of fighting on a comment thread."

And regarding Vimeo's alleged "community," you know what's a great way to generate community? Awareness. You know what's a bad way to generate community? Pulling videos without a genuine dialog. A takedown notice, for me at least, doesn't cut it.

Some random videoblogging site could really step up and say "we won't pull your videos unless there is a blatent copyright infringement claim," and win some points with the community.

As for alternatives, there's always AOL Uncut! (/sarcasm)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it really matters, but I feel like the comment thread is more damning than the actual offense. Instead of being defensive, how bout replying to Ryan&#8217;s concern with some genuine sympathy rather than putting on the defense. &#8220;This is frustrating for everyone involved, I’m sure. It does not reflect the usual Vimeo experience.&#8221; Really? How &#8217;bout, &#8220;Lets talk on the phone and try to fix this issue, instead of fighting on a comment thread.&#8221;</p>
<p>And regarding Vimeo&#8217;s alleged &#8220;community,&#8221; you know what&#8217;s a great way to generate community? Awareness. You know what&#8217;s a bad way to generate community? Pulling videos without a genuine dialog. A takedown notice, for me at least, doesn&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>Some random videoblogging site could really step up and say &#8220;we won&#8217;t pull your videos unless there is a blatent copyright infringement claim,&#8221; and win some points with the community.</p>
<p>As for alternatives, there&#8217;s always AOL Uncut! (/sarcasm)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70753</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm surprised to hear that the guys at Vimeo dropped the video so quickly. I know a few of the guys behind it and they're a good bunch - I'm sure they wouldn't have dropped it if they didn't have to. Don't be too harsh folks, it's still (in my opinion) the best video sharing site around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised to hear that the guys at Vimeo dropped the video so quickly. I know a few of the guys behind it and they&#8217;re a good bunch - I&#8217;m sure they wouldn&#8217;t have dropped it if they didn&#8217;t have to. Don&#8217;t be too harsh folks, it&#8217;s still (in my opinion) the best video sharing site around.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McCord</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70741</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McCord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I hate reading that Vimeo did this, as Dalas states, I'm sure there is definitely more that none of us know about.

I will stand by my allegiance with Vimeo as the premiere place to host my videos... so much better than the other ones I've used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I hate reading that Vimeo did this, as Dalas states, I&#8217;m sure there is definitely more that none of us know about.</p>
<p>I will stand by my allegiance with Vimeo as the premiere place to host my videos&#8230; so much better than the other ones I&#8217;ve used.</p>
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		<title>By: drew olanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70739</link>
		<dc:creator>drew olanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great content...so lets remove it.  great strategy.

hey viddler, got balls to handle some REAL content? step up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great content&#8230;so lets remove it.  great strategy.</p>
<p>hey viddler, got balls to handle some REAL content? step up.</p>
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		<title>By: ronbailey</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70737</link>
		<dc:creator>ronbailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of anything, Vimeo has been the target of a LOT of negative discussion in both the blogosphere and Twitterverse today - and that can't be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of anything, Vimeo has been the target of a LOT of negative discussion in both the blogosphere and Twitterverse today - and that can&#8217;t be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: veronica</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70731</link>
		<dc:creator>veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that this is the way Vimeo is handling the situation: continuously responding with "we can't comment" and "no, you're wrong, notification was sent," etc.

Classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that this is the way Vimeo is handling the situation: continuously responding with &#8220;we can&#8217;t comment&#8221; and &#8220;no, you&#8217;re wrong, notification was sent,&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>Classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70729</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the action taken to notify by Vimeo, it still makes me question whether to continue hosting our material up there for Dear Toronto... hmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the action taken to notify by Vimeo, it still makes me question whether to continue hosting our material up there for Dear Toronto&#8230; hmm.</p>
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		<title>By: isonation</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70727</link>
		<dc:creator>isonation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*feels tension in the room*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*feels tension in the room*</p>
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		<title>By: dalas v</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70717</link>
		<dc:creator>dalas v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the unlikely event that the email was not sent, the same information is posted on the video's former page:

http://vimeo.com/833249</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the unlikely event that the email was not sent, the same information is posted on the video&#8217;s former page:</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/833249" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/833249</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Block</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70715</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalas, no emails were sent our way until and only until I reached out to you, period. I've checked my email, backup, and spam filter -- the last email Vimeo sent out before replying to my query about the takedown was on the 28th, an automatic notification email stating that the video in question finished encoding and was online. You guys simply did not notify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalas, no emails were sent our way until and only until I reached out to you, period. I&#8217;ve checked my email, backup, and spam filter &#8212; the last email Vimeo sent out before replying to my query about the takedown was on the 28th, an automatic notification email stating that the video in question finished encoding and was online. You guys simply did not notify.</p>
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		<title>By: Udayan Tripathi</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70713</link>
		<dc:creator>Udayan Tripathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Switch to Brightcove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Switch to Brightcove.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70711</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so there was a notification sent out. 

So... I totally agree with comment #10 and #14. If you have no contacts, no likes, no history of community and interaction on a site that is very, very geared towards that... then yea, they are not gonna fight it out with RIM for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so there was a notification sent out. </p>
<p>So&#8230; I totally agree with comment #10 and #14. If you have no contacts, no likes, no history of community and interaction on a site that is very, very geared towards that&#8230; then yea, they are not gonna fight it out with RIM for you.</p>
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		<title>By: dalas v</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70709</link>
		<dc:creator>dalas v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's sent automatically on every deletion, so a special effort would have to be undertaken to *not* send the email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sent automatically on every deletion, so a special effort would have to be undertaken to *not* send the email.</p>
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		<title>By: dalas v</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70707</link>
		<dc:creator>dalas v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The email was sent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The email was sent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Block</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70705</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalas, yes, you guys sent an email only well after taking down the video a second time. No one received an email the first time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalas, yes, you guys sent an email only well after taking down the video a second time. No one received an email the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: dalas v</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanblock.com/2008/03/vimeo-pulls-engadget-video-with-no-notification/#comment-70699</link>
		<dc:creator>dalas v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A notification of removal was sent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A notification of removal was sent.</p>
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